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Peter-John Gerber's avatar

I’m not convinced of the participation model but I do believe it’s weightier than moral influence, maybe more leaning towards an orthodox theosis view. I’m happy with substitution, but the penal part seems to be particularly contrived at points. Especially in your framing, where God is offended, and therefore God steps in and covers the tab and then we are fine, it leads one to wonder why God wouldn’t be a universalist, why punish anyone if he has the ability to atone for everyone.

But that’s all just random ramblings.

I do feel like you did not engage with his argument at all, didn’t highlight how exegetically and logically his position is invalid. You merely stated the view of PSA and used the internal logic of PSA to prove why PSA is correct, but it’s all begging the question a bit. Like I don’t understand why PSA must be right other than it aligns with your presuppositions. I don’t know is love further explanation.

Joseph Kelley's avatar

An excellent take, and gives thoughtful consideration to the teachings of any who might remove PSA from their soteriology.

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